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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Aug 1, 2008 5:54 PM
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I have read the book dozens of times, worked at a camp on the 20 year anniversary just miles from the site..
I have one question why is the staff not brought up? It has to be more than one person, a woman involved for the girls not to get crazy when someone came into their tent! Working in camps for so many years the first night they don't sleep or fall asleep in the wee morning hours.. Back then we did not have the distraction (noise makers) cell phone, puters, games etc...they read, talked, not the distractions of today.
Now so for someone in the staff not to hear a scream from fear versus a scream of being anxious is beyond me yes I know they said they heard a scream but the difference in screams would make you question why not act on it? If you were babysitting heard a scream would you not run to the child that was left in your care?? You can hear it way too quite in the wilderness rain or no rain, noise travels oh so much! Someone in the staff either was involved or saw something, sorry but in my experience working in camps sleeping outside you would hear it, tents don't block the noise at all!
Bite marks on the girls, women tend to bite—now why didn’t they take those marks and match them to Hart???? We do it all the time why not in this case? Simple test to see if they match! At least it would tell us yeah he did it or no there is someone else.. not just DNA is unique bite marks can be as well at least enough to prove or disprove.
Hart was a scape goat, to ease peoples minds now guess what whoever killed these girls may have done it again in another state, a different way but hard to believe they have not committed another horrible crime like this..
I have been going over this for years and just don't get it, why isn't anyone really fighting for the truth for these girls and their families..
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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jul 27, 2008 1:17 AM
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The question that is really bugging me about this case is:
Why would anyone release crime scene evidence on an unsolved active case that could potentially close the case one day to the families? I mean we're not talking about just personal items but about blood stained evidence. I read that and it just blows my mind! I think most people believe hart committed these murders but he was after all aquitted. so did they think they may not need these items? And now it's all surely contaminated even if they did ever charge someone else. I know they recentely did more DNA testing and were not able to find anything useable but who knows how far science will come in the next 5 or 10 years. I read in a news article that they were going to throw it out so they released it to the families. Is this true? I've read that their were other suspects but after hart was aquitted di they even look into it much more? I have read alot about this stevens character as a suspect. I think I have exhausted my search in finding any new info that I haven't read so if anyone has any new places for me to look I would love to. I'm sure the trial transcripts aren't readily available but what about the official coroners reports or investigative documents. Anyone know? I may sound very aggrivated but I just amazed at the injustice thats been dealt to these innocent little girls and their families. After all it's been 30 plus years already and pretty soon wittnesses and or suspects may no longer be available. I read alot of unsolved true crime stories but this has just jumped out and grabbed me. maybe it's because i was born and raised in Oklahoma or because I remember hearing about it as a little girl. We vacation at the Illonois River every year so it always perks my interest again. Thanks
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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jul 5, 2008 9:07 PM
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Scratch off why Cooper was questioned about his whereabouts on June 6th.
Counselor Celia Stall testified that "strange" things started occuring a week earlier when camp staffers met for an orientation session. Stall testified that two of the counselors were followed by someone using a flashlight beam.
Wolf
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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jul 5, 2008 8:18 PM
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Dicky Joe Cooper was questioned by both the FBI and OBOI over an eight month period. He also testified at the Hart trial that he was questioned during the investigation of the children's murders.
Does anyone have some further information as to why Cooper became a suspect in the murders?
He was also questioned about his whereabouts on June 6th, a week prior to the murders. Does this date have any significance?
Wolf
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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jun 29, 2008 6:09 PM
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I have a question Why hasn't anyone tried to get a Authentic Psychic to go to the murder site and see what they picked up on?? Like Lisa Williams I don't see what it would hurt?
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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jun 26, 2008 2:27 PM
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AGREE. Now we have the Weleetka Murders for the OSBI. blessings, canna
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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jun 23, 2008 6:59 PM
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For anyone looking for the book, I bought a used copy that was in pretty good shape from Borders book store for $40.
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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jun 23, 2008 4:51 PM
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I have now finished reading ALL 54 pages of the posts. I have contacted kyle Woods about putting his site back up and he has said he would do so when bandwidth permitted. Until then, I have checked out all the websites and blogs and I am currently bidding on the book as well as got my name on the list for the DVD. I see some of you toured Camp Scott last fall and I am wondering if there will be another group put together to go again. Please keep me posted.
Thanks.
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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jun 15, 2008 3:34 PM
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I would really like to know where I can find more information on this case. I truly believe that it is a complete cover-up job by the Mayes county sheriff's office, the DA's office, and so on. It's not like it hasn't happened before. After reading alot of the previous comments posted here, I know there had to be more people involved than just Hart, if he was even involved. Granted the man was no saint, but it seems to me too much of the evidence pointed to others, but that fact went ignored. I have no faith in the investigative tactics of the OSBI or other law enforcement agencies involved. They wanted a quick fix so they settled on Hart. It just goes to prove you can't trust our legal system. The process is totally corrupt. If this guy, Terry Martin, was in the area at the time this occured and has molested his own nieces, why was he never questioned? He lived so close to the crime scene, and reports were filed by his nieces, why is he still free? Let me guess, the paperwork got lost or is buried in a desk. It wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened. My daughter's second cousin is now serving time for molesting his step-daughter, it happened many years ago. A report was filed then buried in a drawer until a new assistant D.A. took over the office and found it in the bottom of a drawer. The new ADA reopened the investigation and finally justice was served. But the fact still remains that a child molester was free on the streets for amny years due to the lack of communication between law agencies. What is our country coming to when you can't even rely on law enforcement to do their job. Granted drug dealers and drunk drivers ae important, but come on' people. Don't you think solving the murders of young innocent children and getting molesters off our streets take precedence. No matter how old the cases are the public deserves to know that they are safe. Keeping those facts from the public only creates unease among the general public.
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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jun 15, 2008 2:20 PM
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I've been searching the web for the results of the DNA testing of this case that were performed in 2007. Yet I find only that the DA's office in Mayes county have received the results. What did they find out? Were they inconclusive, did they confirm that Hart was the offender, or is the killer still free? I am a mother of two young children myself, and if it had happened to one of them I would want to know all the facts no matter how old the cases was. I also believe the public has a right to know. I was a very young child when this occurred, but vaguely remember stories that continued on for years after. I too became a girl scout in my teens and attended week long camps. I just truly feel the public has a right to know what is being done with this cases in present day. What can it hurt to release the DNA findings? Could it be an ongoing coverup? Were they wrong about Hart? Does the evidence point to someone else. I also find it hard to believe that only one person was involved? We're talking about 3 victims at one time. How can one man restrain 3 victims so quietly that noone heard a sound. If you've evr been camping you know as well as I do that sound travels through the woods with great ease. How could noone hear? It's just disconcerning to know that even after 30+ years we still don't know all the facts, and probably never will.
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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jun 15, 2008 2:29 AM
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It is sooo sad that there are people on this earth that would harm an innocent child.
and then isn't our society harming them by not letting Jesus go to school or vote?
and then us allowing gay activity and marrage?
I wish I knew you shot those little girls in Weleetka. I would get to beat the $%#& out
of them and get a reward.
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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jun 14, 2008 4:03 PM
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I think the DNA results showed that the suspect was Native American, but were inconclusive as to specifically identifying Gene Hart as the murderer. He died in prison without being convicted of the girl scout murder case. I was reminded of the Camp Scott murders, by the recent murders of the girls in Waleetka, OK. The sketch of the suspect I saw on the news looks like an older Native American. The suspect in the Camp Scott murders was in his 30's at the time. I wonder what the estimated age is of the suspect in the Waleetka case is, and if there could be any connection.
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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jun 8, 2008 2:30 AM
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Does anybody know how I can purchase a copy of the segment on this case. I've been trying to do my own research on this. I'm hoping I can get out to the camp site with the permission of the current owners and look around. I live in Tulsa and was a girl scout myself in the 80's. This kind of hits home a little bit. I never understood why, at the time, we had security dads at our camp sites like Camp Tallchief just outside of Sand Springs. These were dads of some of the girls who would come along on our camping trips and would take turns standing guard outside our cabins at night. We all heard of old Camp Scott, but we were never told details of the crimes (for obvious reasons, we were too young). We just knew it to be bad and supposedly haunted. I remember one summer camping trip I took that was also a week long just like Doris, Michelle, and Lori did. It was for riding horses though, but we also kept a lot of our other girl scout traditions. One of them was our camp fires and one of the traditions is to take ashes from old camp fires and mix them with ashes from new camp fires. I remember the counselor telling us the tradition while holding a coffee can with ashes in it. She said something that made everyone at the camp fire gasp, "...these are the ashes of past camp fires. Even from old Camp Scott". Now that I am old enough (almost 30) and know the grisly details of that horror that happened approximately 10 years prior to my camp experience, it sends a chill down my spine. In the main lodge on the camp site was a small library in the main dining hall. Most of the books were from Camp Scott with the name of the camp printed right on the spines. We use to tell each other not to touch the books because they were cursed. I didn't really understand why the books were cursed or why Camp Scott was a "bad place", I just went along with it as a small child. Anyway, I am just looking for any thing on the subject and I love the A&E channel and want to see what there segment had to say.
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Re: Girl Scout Murders Locust Grove 1977
Jun 6, 2008 7:02 PM
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every article mentions that in April/May 2007, they had new DNA evidence which might shed light on the real killer, whom I remain convinced was Gene Leroy Hart. However, there are no postings about the outcome of these results, which the article implied were imminent. Anyone know?
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