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Oct 9, 2008 7:51 AM
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I believe you are correct JTF, I remember reading about the tire iron too, and I am fairly certain it was at Christina's Corner.
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Oct 8, 2008 6:35 PM
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NoDoubt: I read about that incident on Christina's website. If memory serves, she mentioned that incident in one of the Christina's Corner segments.
http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/
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Oct 8, 2008 2:50 PM
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JTF : I'm very interested in this case (which is obviously why I check this site and post occasionally), and am 110 % convinced Inmate is guilty. I've read Fatal Vision years ago and saw the movie again years ago.
Living in Europe (where it is difficult to find info on this case for obvious reasons), it wasn't until the internet really got going that I was able to gather the mass of information which is now available on sites such as Christina's....
I might have missed something somewhere, but where did you get the story that JMD threatened someone with a tire-iron wrapped in a coat in the 70's? If this is true, I believe it to be very, very significant.
Can you give further evidence of this ?
Thanks for all the info you've provided me with over the past few years - one helluva website you've got there !
Wish I could join the chatsessions, but due to time difference this isn't really possible.
Keep up the good work
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Oct 8, 2008 8:34 AM
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hi livvygirl good to see your nick on the board again!
Of course you are right, buttercups is still in la-la land and psychopaths like inmate do indeed get by on their charm. Perfect example: Ted Bundy. Look at how many people, women especially, who united to raise money for Bundy's defense. Look at the number of people who were convinced that the Utah and Colorado police had gotten the wrong man. Also, look at the number of people who STILL defended him even after his escapes AND the murders in Florida. For crying out loud, one woman even agreed to marry Bundy and he was allowed conjugal visits and he fathered children!
ON the plus side of things however is the fact that inmate doesn't get conjugal visits and his baby making parts are hopefully as shriveled and aged as the rest of him!
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Oct 7, 2008 11:04 PM
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buttercups, I'm sorry to be rude, but I haven't been here for months, come back tonite, and here you still are, living in la-la land. Allowed by WHOM to have a place in society? Do you not realize that people like this can be incredibly charming and agreeable when things are going their way? Most people LIKE psychos - that's how the MacDonalds of the world get by and get ahead - by their charm and smarts.
It's only when one knows them intimately or they are under stress that threatens their macho self image (like maybe a pissed-off wife or an opposing team member in a football game who gets in their face ) that their true self comes out. Sometimes with violent consequences.
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Oct 6, 2008 9:25 PM
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Really tranquility? Even with lots of help? I guess you're right, I just wonder and I know other people have asked this,
WHY did it take so long to catch this man
and WHY
was he allowed to have such a high position in society? Or at least in his circle?????
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Oct 6, 2008 7:43 PM
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"In all fairness, I've asked myself if there's any possible way he can be "not guilty." Every time I've come to the same conclusion - no."
- lyaqushka.
I have done exactly the same thing. What I did was download every word of MacD's testimony and read only what he had said in his own words (including the C.I.D. interview). When I had finished, I had no doubt of his guilt. I believe him to be a psychopath who could kill again at any time if someone pushed his buttons the wrong way.
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Oct 6, 2008 5:04 AM
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Inmate can seem very emotionally repressed and "formal." I think that's because he's struggling to hold in his rage. I think he probably still feels rage at his dead family, still blames them for his trouble, still rationalizes his guilt that way.
The only way Inmate would ever confess and tell the truth, IMO, is if he "lost it" in a rage and did so. Let that barrier down. It's not inconceivable that he'd do so, IMO, but given where he lives, and will continue to live, not likely to happen.
buttercups, I don't know what people talked about behind closed doors, but in the beginning, Inmate had a lot of supporters. Most of them were people of common sense, though, who now see, especially with the DNA evidence in, that Inmate can't be anything but guilty.
In all fairness, I've asked myself if there's any possible way he can be "not guilty." Every time I've come to the same conclusion - no.
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Oct 5, 2008 6:20 PM
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AFter he did these things, even th ough he thought he was cute and talented and could talk his way out of things, didn't people talk about it behind closed doors because they thought it was incredible. I mean the only people who saw these things weren't just friends who thought it was "normal"???
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Oct 5, 2008 6:15 PM
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good points, JTF
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Oct 3, 2008 8:22 PM
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MacDonald has always downplayed his temper, but.....
1) He slapped Colette in the face in front of some high school friends.
2) MacDonald needed to be pulled off a student from a rival high school football team. MacDonald was beating the crap out of the guy in a fast food joint.
3) In the mid-70's, MacDonald was arguing with an individual in a parking lot and he eventually wrapped his dinner jacket or coat around a tire iron. This gesture put an end to the argument. How ironic is it that he had a blunt instrument in his hand and the object was wrapped up in a jacket?
4) According to William Ivory, MacDonald played in a vicious manner in a football game between the Long Beach Police Department and Long Beach Hospital staff.
http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/
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Oct 3, 2008 8:47 AM
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yup, ol'inmate was abusive - he slapped her while they were in school. I think it probable that once married his abuse was more subtle. Mainly verbal/emotional but with occassions of the sly hair pulling, pinch/twist of the skin (especially upper inside arm) and things like that........
I think he still exhibits rage in his body language, it is pent up, but it is there.......imho.
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Oct 3, 2008 12:57 AM
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> Looks like you found the evidence of inmate's
> violence that a certain poster said didn't exist. (I
> think she believed that not only was there no
> evidence of inmate being violent but that he
> was not ever violent.)
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I read just recently on another board that Mac was known to slap Colette around in high school.
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Sep 9, 2008 6:32 PM
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I don't see him as a child molester, and I doubt he was abusing the girls routinely, but I do think he would have turned into an abuser had he not murdered them. I think he would have slapped them, punched them, hit them, etc. The whole thing was a no-win situation for Colette. The only thing she could have done was take the girls to Mildred and Freddy's, and I do think she would have - Inmate just snapped before she could. Really sad.
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Sep 9, 2008 2:16 PM
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I've often thought that while he may not have been molesting and/or abusing his kids at THAT time, that he may have done so later if he had not of slaughter them during his rage.
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