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Re: Dreams that Come True???
Jul 3, 2009 3:37 PM
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Feynmans " Lectures on Physics" (something like that) or one of Guth's books are good places to start.
Being a Fundamental Atheist, I do not think that science and the supernatural can currently get along. But quite a few scientists, much more qualified and smarter than I am believe that they can. Stephen J Gould, a paleobiologist and one of the better/most popular science writers wrote an entire book on his view that as long as you keep them separate since they answer different kinds of questions that they could co-exist. He was roundly criticized by many scientists from many fields and many philosophers for his reasoning and conclusions.
I highly suggest "The Portable Atheist" a large collection of essays on the problems of faith, It's 480 pages, but you don't need to read the whole thing. He got a lot of things wrong, bur Freud wrote a brilliant, concise essay on religion called, "The Future of an Illusion" that is excerpted in this book. You can also find this essay on the web. This book covers a wide collection of writing that deals with a broad overview of the reasons behind non-belief. Logic, science, psychology, feminism, philosophy and rationalism are just a few of the areas covered.
You should also read the Wikipedia entry on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal since it is a fascinating and basic rule of high-energy and quantum research.
If you notice any problems with my writing (punctuation, grammar, etc.) feel free to let me know. I'm always glad when someone lets me know if I am mistaken, even (especially) if that criticism is sarcastic.
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Re: Dreams that Come True???
Jul 1, 2009 7:47 PM
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Yeah, $100,000, that'll be the day!  Anyway, you had done a pretty decent job of hurting my ego with the first response, thanks for restoring some of it with the second. You seem to know quite a bit about science and what not, so, let me ask you this..... Are there good sources you can recommend which explain quantum theory, maybe like "quantum theory for beginners?" Also, and this is just a general question that I have been wondering about lately, do you ever see any way that science and the paranormal (in which I include religion) don't counter each other? Or do they just hold too many fundamental differences? Is there middle ground somewhere, or at least the potential for it?
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Re: Dreams that Come True???
Jun 30, 2009 7:32 PM
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Band-that was a gracious reply, and I appreciate it as it was meant. Good luck with the teaching. You're brave to take on English. My wife taught in the English dept of the local University and it was horrifying (and deeply comical) to see what a student that has "been through" and passed high school English would spew out as sophomore's at University. Teachers should all (for the majority) make about $100,000 a year. I hope you find it rewarding. A good teacher can make a huge difference in a students life. Cheers.
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Re: Dreams that Come True???
Jun 29, 2009 2:52 AM
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Well, I will give you both this, I'm not a "mommy," but hope to be someday... but I am working on becoming a teacher, so I apologize for the tone. Logical argumentation and scientific study are not my first or strongest suits (I teach English....) but it is something that I work on constantly and try to improve.. I do apologize for the second portion of that post, I was reaching for something but had not fully, or logically, sorted out what I had hoped to say yet.... You will see another post from me, one which RevDr has already responded to, which I think conveys more of what I was trying to say. Your correct, my understanding of the theory of quantum physics is minute, so lets just say it's a novice understand, and a correlation that I see, but that may or may not be proved wrong, I am absolutely open to and understanding of that. But, before you bash my logic and knowledge completely, give me the benefit of allowing to say that I live with a mathematician, so I am not completely devoid of scientific knowledge, or the ability to understand it.
I guess, in the end, I will admit defeat on this one, kabol, your response was merely childish, but RevDr. you actually said many worthwhile things, so forgive the emotional response, and my sense of arrogance, upon reading the post again, I understand I did not come across in the best manner, or even most beneficial to the discussion. Apologies.
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Re: Dreams that Come True???
Jun 25, 2009 6:50 PM
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I was not rude. I was trying to offer some information & help. I feel empathy for the poster.
Just what are these other "conscience (conscious ?) forces outside of humanity"? That's pretty broad & vague.
As far as the human body creating "massive amounts of energy" goes, about the only energy we create is heat. There is a small amount of electrical energy as well. All this production rapidly stops at death. Once a stiff has shed the little amount of energy in it's heat-if the environment is not hotter than the radiating body-then it's show over. See entropy.
For animals to generate "massive amounts of energy" would require a covalent massive intake of fuel. The food we eat does not contain enough available energy and we make far to inefficient use of that energy. A burning candle converts fat into heat energy at a rate far exceeding that of metabolism. Producing massive amounts of energy via biological processes would be akin to a perpetual motion machine. And we know that doesn't happen.
Nice try at defining the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, but you got it sort of sideways.
I have read several sophisticated books on quantum physics and took 3 semesters of physics in college. (Woop for me.) I don't understand quantum theory, you don't understand it, and New Age Weenies like Deepak Chopra don't understand it. The number of people that really understand it probably number in the thousands. Most of them would deny it has anything to do with paranormal, supernatural topics. There are many articles available on the web discussing this topic.
Sure, science has a lot to discover, and some deeply held theories will have to be modified over time. But that is the beauty of it-it's constructed in a manner that encourages the questioning of knowledge and the rectifying of error. Once you introduce anything supernatural into it, it looses all of it's predictive and intellectual power. My imaginary friend, Lucifer Sam, can make it rain jellybeans on the Moon. Since they are invisible, NASA will never be able to disprove it.
I hope your god(s) bless you & I wish you rainbows, butterflies, kittens & cupcakes. In a strictly non-sarcastic manner, of course--xxxx-oooo
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Re: Dreams that Come True???
Jun 25, 2009 5:16 PM
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It is absolutely not impossible for you to dream about things and then for them to happen.
of course it is. these sorts of coincidental things can happen to just about everyone.
attributing the coincidences to some sort of mystical power without any proof is where you'll get into trouble with people who tend to think critically.
There is a lot of evidence to suggest that there are other conscience forces outside of humanity, and they could be trying to help you, or give you a simple warning, in the best way that they can.
please provide one instance of this evidence of which you speak.
as for the rest of your rather mommy-sounding "don't be rude! don't be sarcastic!" post, you're NOT my mommy so don't tell me what to do.
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Re: Dreams that Come True???
Jun 24, 2009 6:48 PM
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Since no one else seems to be able to give you any advice, but are rather content to make fun of you and try to make you see "logic", here is something I can tell you. It is absolutely not impossible for you to dream about things and then for them to happen. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that there are other conscience forces outside of humanity, and they could be trying to help you, or give you a simple warning, in the best way that they can. Many people are more open when they are sleeping, since this is when your subconscious is most active and not hindered by your senses and social expectations of normalcy. Just keep in mind your experience, and if you have one of those dreams, maybe try to tell the person about it, take it as a warning or a useful message, but don't let it control you. When it comes to "feelings" and intuition, if you go against it and something bad happens, then stop going against it. Things happen for a reason, listen to what the universe is telling you.
Now, for the two of you who I'm sure are going to respond to this with criticism (which is fine) and sarcasm (again, annoying but fine), let me tell you this much...
a) I am not a nutjob, don't accuse me of that......
b) I am merely offering opinions, if you don't like them don't believe them, but don't try to belittle people for posting here.
c) Since you seem to be so caught up on logic, I'm sure that you plan on saying something in response to my "controlling factors, conscious" remark. Let me tell you ahead of time
-Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can merely change forms.
This is the basis of many scientific truths that we hold as fact, keep it in mind, as it serves to prove that something has to happen after we die, since the human body produces massive amounts of energy.
-Think of the role of the observer in quantum physics studies, in which the shape that particles make appear to defy rational thinking, until there is someone watching the experiment, then they do exactly what we expect them to do. If that doesn't reinforce the fact that there are other controlling, and apparently conscious factors, then I don't know what else to tell you. Please, stop being so rude, it really does no good.
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Re: Dreams that Come True???
Jun 23, 2009 7:39 PM
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revDR, YOU MUST BE PSYCHIC TOO!
only because i was just thinking about the whole "we prayed for someone and they were cured" issue -- that 'answering of prayers' for good things.
i didn't remember the "confirmation bias" term, but i was asking myself:
"self, but what about all of those UNanswered prayers? what about all of those uncured illnesses? what about all of the people who prayed really really hard for various things hundreds of thousands of times and got nuttin'.??"
same thing as confirmation bias, isn't it?
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Re: Dreams that Come True???
Jun 23, 2009 4:27 PM
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I suggest you learn about the psychological phenomenon called "Confirmation Bias." It has to do with the way we remember things that strike us as confirming our beliefs and dismissing and forgetting those that do not. That's how a psychic reading works. When the "psychic" asks 20 questions and only gets 5 close or hits, we remember these as significant and tend to forget all the misses.
Some people have many dreams almost every night. Most will be forgotten, but if something happens that reminds one of a dream, it seems spooky. Having a dream about someone dying might not be all that rare if one is concerned with that persons health. As far as someone "close" to them dying, I guess I'd call that a near miss. There is a large population of "close" people to choose from.
Confirmation bias also works with premonitions. I have them as well-don't go out today, you'll have a car accident (which I did). But it was a nasty snowy day, so perhaps it was not all so surprising. And if you listen to your premonition and don't do something, you will never know if something would have happened or not. So of course, when you go against your premonition and something bad happens, you will remember it. This just skews the probability of the experience, since there is no way of running an experiment wherein you both do & do not do something.
Life is full of little disasters that can take on importance beyond their real meaning. They get in the way and can become symbolic for the big disasters.
If you get overwhelmed by these feelings I would suggest that you talk to a psychologist or psychiatrist. It would be a shame to miss out on life or fear your dreams. Definitely don't talk to a "psychic." They'll only tell you your gifted and that you need to make many appointments to see them to develop these "skills."
Confirmation Bias is a huge factor in the makeup of the way we think. Lucifer Sam says-Check It Out !
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Re: Dreams that Come True???
Jun 23, 2009 12:41 PM
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sounds like you must be psychic!
you should try to get on any one of the numerous paranormal TV shows out there these days which feature psychics as "evidence" of the paranormal.
since there can't possibly be any measure of actual experience or testing of actual qualifications for any psychic, you'd have just as good a shot as anyone else at geting a starring or guest starring role as a psychic.
best of luck!
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Jun 22, 2009 12:32 AM
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This has been worrying me for a while now. In the past few years, I have started having dreams that always end up being true. For instance, if I dream that someone dies, either they will or someone very close to them does.
It always happens to me this way. And then I have these "feelings" at times. And ALWAYS if I go against the feelings something bad happens.
Why is this happening to me? How do I explain or understand this? I am a very logical person, I need to be able to understand how everything works and I just can't explain this one.
Can anyone help me, please?
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