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How about this; the phone-doctor he uses gets these drugs and gives them to Boyd and his team for their illegal 'god work'.
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He must be affiliated with a clinic or another facility.
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And now that we know what goes on during the show is as close to real life as they can get it, how is Boyd getting these drugs?
I don't know but I am not sure how William would get it anyway. It is a scheduled drug in the sedative class. They made some comment on the latest show that William having felonies on his record could not get certain drugs to use in his shop. This should be one of them too and would be (if this show were real life). It is doubtless used because few people know what it is.
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I don't know but I am not sure how William would get it anyway. It is a scheduled drug in the sedative class. They made some comment on the latest show that William having felonies on his record could not get certain drugs to use in his shop. This should be one of them too and would be (if this show were real life). It is doubtless used because few people know what it is.
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True enough, Mary. I'm curious if Chloral Hydrate was written in by the writers because of its 'celebrity', forgiving the metaphor.
And remember, one of the drugs Anna Nicole and Marilyn Monroe had in their systems at death was Chloral Hydrate. It is not commonly used anymore. It used to be marketed as Noctec (mild sedative) and Placydil (strong sedative). What bothers me about these methods being shown is that they are not realistic. I hate it when tv show writers "Hollywoodize" drug use and its aftermath and act like the audience is stupid. What they are showing is really cringeworthy. I did get the ocean symbolism too and yes, it was kind of corny but most symbolism is!!
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And remember, one of the drugs Anna Nicole and Marilyn Monroe had in their systems at death was Chloral Hydrate. It is not commonly used anymore. It used to be marketed as Noctec (mild sedative) and Placydil (strong sedative). What bothers me about these methods being shown is that they are not realistic. I hate it when tv show writers "Hollywoodize" drug use and its aftermath and act like the audience is stupid. What they are showing is really cringeworthy. I did get the ocean symbolism too and yes, it was kind of corny but most symbolism is!!
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Just finished with the last episode regarding the twin sisters. I seem to be saying the same things about every episode; practicing medicine on addicts, kidnapping, injecting addicts with sedatives and putting in IV's. In this particular episode it was suggested that the heroin twin (Amber) was put through a medical detox "you're going to feel really bad, really quickly". She was then injected with chloral hydrate. This drug is a sedative and a reagent. It requires a prescription being a Schedule IV narcotic, it's used at times as a rape drug, it's moderately addictive and can cause liver damage, convulsions, cardiac arrhythmia if used incorrectly and should not be mixed with alcohol...and because it's a reagent, it can react with all sorts of other drugs that could have been in Ambers system. Banks would have had no idea what was in her, other than heroin. She eventually came too, strapped to the bed demanding to be released and wasn't (kidnapping) and then Connie sticks a needle in her arm to again, sedate her. Later, Banks says to Amber, 'you've been abducted by a caveman" and of course injected with drugs by one, as well. He later says about his qualifications, "I know a path". At the end of the story, Banks breaks into the other sisters home (breaking and entering) to 'help' her with her addiction to pain medication. The whole process begins again. As for the story itself, it hit a nerve for me. The legal goings on is something I'm familiar with and I got the ocean wave symbolism, corny as it may have been. Once again, this is a television show and we must be able to separate the fluff from the tactics being used and those tactics are bad, bad, bad.
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let me know when you see it DScot. A lot o holes in that storyline I'm afraid.
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I haven't seen last nights episode, Mary, but I have it recorded and will try to get to it tomorrow. This is a television show, yes, but the problem is that it's dealing with something that's very real, effects millions and millions and can mean life, or death to those millions and millions. It's not something to be playing around with. This show is promoting dangerous ideas and you've outlined a few, well, in your post.
I just saw last night's epi DScot and really must agree. You cannot tie someone down who is in deep heroin withdrawal....for many reasons. First, you will be cleaning up all manner of body fluids/excretions if they cannot get to a bathroom ASAP and second they could hurt themselves while "kicking" if tied down. They make it look like there is a bit of pain and some sweating, then all is fine. Not really!!!! There is a lot more illness involved which I guess they don't want to show on tv but that is the reality of it. It is not as "nice" as it appears on the show. I also agree knocking someone out who is in withdrawals is very bad. They could choke on their own vomit. Do the writers not know that anyone who has been an addict knows this is not reality???? I guess they are counting on that. I find the show a bit cheesy and I really do WANT to like it because I like Benjamin Bratt.
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I just saw last night's epi DScot and really must agree. You cannot tie someone down who is in deep heroin withdrawal....for many reasons. First, you will be cleaning up all manner of body fluids/excretions if they cannot get to a bathroom ASAP and second they could hurt themselves while "kicking" if tied down. They make it look like there is a bit of pain and some sweating, then all is fine. Not really!!!! There is a lot more illness involved which I guess they don't want to show on tv but that is the reality of it. It is not as "nice" as it appears on the show. I also agree knocking someone out who is in withdrawals is very bad. They could choke on their own vomit. Do the writers not know that anyone who has been an addict knows this is not reality???? I guess they are counting on that. I find the show a bit cheesy and I really do WANT to like it because I like Benjamin Bratt.
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I just watched the 2nd (?) episode of the season. It was about two lounge singers who have a Star daughter and a son who manages his sister. Banks and his team are contracted to be 'sober companions' to the daughter who is an addict. It's also revealed that the parents have an addiction to alcohol. What first disturbed me was Connie. She was watching April (the Star), found her prescription medication and switched it with placebos. April then believed her drink to be spiked with something to get her to sleep claiming she knows (after years of Banks being her sober companion) all of Banks 'tricks'. At some point April is pretty bad off after taking and/or drinking who knows what. Banks is called in, bringing his little black bag (of tricks), does a cursory medical assessment then proceeds to bring her into the bedroom where we're told he is giving her a sedative. Also during this episode, Banks sits with the parents in a bedroom while they go through alcohol detox (this can be deadly). Where do I begin...giving medicine to addicts without knowing and how much of what they've taken, switching out prescribed medicine with a placebo (some medication, if you stop taking abruptly, could kill you) practicing medicine without a license, letting elderly people detox from alcohol in a bedroom while Banks sits and watches and the list goes on. I have one good thing to say; I thought staging the police raid was a legitimate act, it produced results and no law, that I'm aware of, was broken. Perhaps someone else has another take on it and I welcome the feedback.
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Well, what I was saying in that statement is that, when it comes to an addict, if you can get them to feel emotional pain, it can cut through the nonsense they've built up at which point you can begin to initiate change. Interventionists do it all the time to get addicts to accept help. That's not to say once the addict accepts help, that help works. As for past life and original love, interesting, perhaps you could elaborate.
"Sometimes hurt feelings are an invaluable measure. They can cut through and help initiate change. "
I don't think so...to that statement...unless maybe you're speaking of original love...
and that would involve past life awareness...
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"Sometimes hurt feelings are an invaluable measure. They can cut through and help initiate change. "
I don't think so...to that statement...unless maybe you're speaking of original love...
and that would involve past life awareness...
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Hey, DO. I'm interested in learning your thinking behind this. Thanks.
I don't think so.
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In my experience, if you can get an addict to feel emotional pain through tough love, or some other way, change often follows.
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