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Texas
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Mar 16, 2007 11:09 AM
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Someone said this earlier i know.
Say I was only 12. I am still a child. I can't concent to have sex. Therefor I cannot be convicted of a crime. Say I go out and kill an innocent person that I don't know or say I go kill an officer. I can't go to Jail because I'm only a child?
I think if the child kills someone tey should go to jail. Plain and simple.
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New Orleans
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Jan 11, 2007 4:57 PM
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I believe that children with a history of violence should be tried as adults. In this case, the child had an extensive history of violence. Ultimately, he took the life of another person's loved one. I'm more then sure that if the same thing happened to anyone of us, we would want to see the person responsible, punished to the full extent of the law. I think if he is rehabilitated in juvie, thats fine but who will be responsible if this child is released in 2008 and kills again, the judge, jury, Who?
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California
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Dec 2, 2006 10:52 PM
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We have a case here in Sacramento that involves a 14 year old being tried as an adult. The crime is heinous; however, I have a problem with the 14 year old being tried as an adult. I will give the details, and then ask that anyone who cares to comment to do so:
This 28 year old man, a Hmong, didn't want to be married any longer to his wife of nine years, who was four months pregnant. They had a 10 year old child and had been high school sweethearts. He also had a girlfriend.
This man involved his girlfriend, two other men and a 14 year old to kill his wife outside her work site and making it look like a burglary. The 14 year old was paid between $500 and $1,000 to do the killing. Eventually, the husband was caught. Apparently, the husband told the 14 year old that since he was a juvenile he would be treated with less consequences if caught than if one of the adults did the shooting. The pregnant woman was shot twice.
All of the people involved, including the 14 year old, are facing life in prison without possibility of parole.
It is a horrible crime, no doubt about it. However, I just wonder how much pressure the 14 year old got from the adults in this case and if he understood all the ramifications of his actions.
If anyone deserves the life in prison without parole, it is the husband. But I am having a hard time sentencing the 14 year old to life. He had no previous criminal record. The people involved are all Hmong.
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From:
California Girl
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Nov 29, 2006 8:46 PM
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> I grew up with the knowledge of being an adult was
> 20. Of course my folks were wrong, but each state
> has it's own opinion of when the parents are no
> longer legally responsible. In Florida, there is no
> age. A 10 year old is responsible for his/her
> actions. They just have to be seen doing the crime
> by a cop.
>
> So it still stands, should children be tried as
> adults?
> But another question is, how severe should the crime
> be?
No kidding 10 years old ?? What do they do to a 10 year old caught doing a felony for instance??
And, BTW I agree that under 18 should not be housed with the adult prisoners, they'd eat them up.
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Florida
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Nov 28, 2006 1:42 PM
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I grew up with the knowledge of being an adult was 20. Of course my folks were wrong, but each state has it's own opinion of when the parents are no longer legally responsible. In Florida, there is no age. A 10 year old is responsible for his/her actions. They just have to be seen doing the crime by a cop.
So it still stands, should children be tried as adults?
But another question is, how severe should the crime be?
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Florida
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Nov 28, 2006 1:33 PM
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I disagree, if the state law says parents are not legally responsible for what the minor does, then they should be tried as an adult. Unfortunately, even in these states that take the responsibility out of the parents hands still try minors as minors depending on the crime. There is no magic number or age. Each state makes the laws, and they should be followed no matter the crime.
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Nov 8, 2006 3:40 PM
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What is the definition of a child? According to our laws, it is a minor who has not reached the age of consent. The age of consent; 18 years old (unless they want to buy alcohol, than they are still considered children until the age of 21).
Anyone with any sense knows that a child does not nor can not think or reason the same as an adult. I look back at my reasoning at the age of 16 years old. I, like most other teenagers, thought I knew what was right and best and had some kind of answer for all of life's questions. Now, some 30 years later, I laugh and shake my head at how much I thought I knew. Sure, I knew right from wrong, good from bad, etc. But did I truly know what consequences my actions could bring? How could I? I had no real life experience to base it on. And even being exposed to all the violence in the movies and on TV is not real life. It is make-believe for entertainment. To say that children should realize the consequences of their actions because they're exposed to violence on TV is ridiculous. If that is the case, then I should have had real expectations of growing up and living in a fairy castle with my handsome prince, happily ever after. TV/movie violence is not real nor do kids think of it as real. It's only TV.
If a person is under the age of consent, that person is a child and should be treated as such (unless the child has been emancipated). And a child, even a 17 year old child should never be incarcerated with adults.......never!
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Carlsbad, Ca
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Oct 21, 2006 1:52 AM
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A few days ago four black males, at gunpoint, kidnapped four college students, two couples, forced them into their home (the students' home), tied up the men and the four "men" gangraped the two women, robbed them and left them there. The police captured the first one today, a 17 year old "youth." Should this "child" be tried as an adult. No f&*$ing doubt about it! And he should never see the outside of the walls of a state prison.
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California Girl
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Oct 20, 2006 7:33 PM
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There are many, many
> forums where you can call people names.
Really ??  Oh Boy - can I get their addresses ??
I'm makin' a list ! 
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California
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Oct 20, 2006 9:39 AM
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Bransom:
Hey Shelly, you act like you own A&E and this forum. Please do not make this forum into your own personal sympathy thread for the criminals. Every post of yours is backin the criminal and kicking the victim to the curb.
Above is what you wrote about me. And here are my comment regarding this:
1. Just because I post on this thread and others within this forum does not mean I "Own" A&E. I love to discuss politics, as I was a political science and journalism major in college and a political, cop and business reporter after that.
2. I am not so much for "the criminal" and against the "victim" as I am against governmental abuse of constitutional and civil rights. As a reporter, I saw police and judicial abuses, and I will not forget them. An example: a cop in the city I reported in cut the corner as she was making a left hand turn, hitting a kid. Nothing happened to her. If it were you or I, we'd would be facing charges. Another example: My late husband was a reporter in another locale, and this cop was heading toward a call on this little country road, going 60 mph. In the car, he had a police intern. The cop driving the car knew about the dangerous turn on this road, (all the cops did) but he was in such a hurry to get to the call that he hit the tree going 60 mph. The intern died; nothing happened to the cop. These are just two in a long line of examples. And even if I am more sympathetic to the rights of the accused than the victims does not give you the right to tell me how or what I may post. There are several posters on this forum who are always for putting the criminal away forever and sympathasizing with the victim. I happen to feel the other way, but not the reason you think. (Look above. This is not a two sided debate. There are many reasons why people can feel the way they do, and it's a false argument and very simplistic to say that if you favor civil and constitutional rights for the accused that you must be "for" criminals and against "victims." I happen to favor civil rights because I believe if the police and courts do not respect the rights for the criminals, it is not too far down the slope when they won't respect the rights of anyone.)
3. I have been a victim of several crimes, including date rape, three burglaries, three instances of identity theft, and a mugging. However, I would never be in favor of imprisoning any of these people who victimized me for a long period of time, because I don't trust that the government (especially California) is going to give a just punishment. Also I am not willing to forever have the moniker as "former victim" as some formerly victimized people seem to like to wear. I am referring to remarks made on this forum and others that people who are violently victimized have had their souls taken by the criminal and will never get over it. That's utter nonsense.
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Oct 20, 2006 9:16 AM
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Branson, I don't know if it's under this forum...or Investigative Reports...but somewhere there is a thread called "Opinions....please." Talk about taking up for the criminal! Geez...I got a tongue lashing cause my opinion was different than anyone elses!
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Oct 20, 2006 1:36 AM
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Hey Shelly, you act like you own A&E and this forum. Please do not make this forum into your own personal sympathy thread for the criminals. Every post of yours is backin the criminal and kicking the victim to the curb.
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Oct 8, 2006 8:40 AM
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The young boy I was talking about received a 10 year sentence that he will serve in a juvenile facility. They said even after 2 years...he has no remorse.
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From:
Montreal
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Oct 8, 2006 3:59 AM
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The only time children should be tried as adults is if they belong to a gang, and have past offenses.
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California
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Re: Children should never be tried as adults
Sep 30, 2006 8:25 PM
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Varman: Sorry to birdwalk from the topic. I believe that society wants this disparity in way we treat "children" - on the one hand, saying that a 17 1/2 year old girl or guy who has had sex with an older person as a victimc of sexual assault, but throw the book at a 14 year old who killed someone, because we've become a vindictive, moralistic, puritanical, conservative-leaning, bombastic, preachy country. I was doing some research earlier this summer and I came across the word "moral panic" - it's actually a sociological term defined as mass hysteria generated by exploiting people's worst fears, often for the sake of an underlying political agenda
Here are two links, which are among hundreds of the internet (I used Google as the browser. What does everyone think? Isn't this just another form of moral panic? http://www.alternet.org/rights/26131/
[url http://www.answers.com/topic/moral-panic]
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